Yoga for the mind, body, and business, with Aaron Wayne

Yoga for the mind, body, and business, with Aaron Wayne

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Jake Anderson  0:00  
Damn, I gotta record in two places I'm recording there.

Alright, okay, I'm gonna get the muted real quick and then I'm gonna hit this intro then we're gonna bring it in to the show.

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Jake Anderson  1:16  
This is the introspective podcast. Hey, what is going on my introspective listeners, welcome back to this is a week of mindfulness. I'm starting this new series where I'm gonna start theming out weeks and really giving you some intention to get the week started. And I thought with being a daily beat die podcast for the mindful entrepreneur, the entrepreneur that is looking to bring presence and peace in really fun ways to ground themselves through such a roller coaster of life that we all live, because we all know that there is nothing linear about entrepreneurship. It is a lot of ups, downs, peaks, valleys, and we need to bring presence. And today I have a special guest. Somebody who's actually in my backyard, we connected on clubhouse. And it's funny because like in the internet world to find somebody who lives 25 minutes from you is like kind of a needle in a haystack kind of a situation. And he was like, yeah, I'm from Virginia, and like, be too and the fact that it's also southwest Virginia being here in the Appalachian mountains where we like to talk talk like this and we drink our sweet tea and we have fun outdoors. That's how it is. And you know what, this is also a great place. It's beautiful down here if you're looking to seek that mindfulness, but I have my special guest today. His name is Aaron Wayne. And Aaron is somebody who is an expert in yoga, he started his journey in yoga in 2013. He has a tremendous background in athletics and sports, he runs tons of marathons and does things that just the human body seems to be like, I don't even know He does it because I when I hear about running these ultra marathons and, and being able to, you know, to hike up these trails and doing these kind of, you know, masterful things. And in athletics, it's really amazing. But he's able to really pull that in with yoga, he is a our yT 500 certified with yoga lines through the conga yoga school, and he teaches to 200 hour yoga teacher trainings every year. Along with being a yoga educator, Aaron also teaches corporate events, collegiate groups, as well as public and private classes, both online and in person. So today, we are going to talk about yoga. We're going to talk about ways that yoga can help you achieve that mindfulness, and really find that inner peace. And without further ado, welcome to the show. Aaron Wayne. Aaron, what is going on?

Aaron Wayne  3:44  
I'm just kicking him in. I love the Thanks for having me. Jake. I love the talk about Virginia shouts out to to up to down VA happy day.

Man um,

yeah, I love it. I'm happy to be here. And looking forward to diving in. Yeah, the running the yoga, the movement, the breath. All of it. I think in right now, as we're doing like you and I, we could have met down the road. But we're doing this via zoom. So we're live in this space where we're getting a lot of digital time. And so yeah, you know, all these all these practices come in pretty key. Right. And and generally when it comes to business and entrepreneurship or raising kids, we're talking about your lovely kids just a minute ago before we started, I mean, parenting all of it, like the yoga place, you know? Absolutely. And

Jake Anderson  4:28  
you know, the thing that's interesting about yoga, we were talking about this before we had kicked off the interview is that, you know, yoga even though there's a physical side to it, and I think initially for me, like that's what I thought yoga was was this form of exercise, but there's so much more to it. Would you mind just sharing a little bit more about yoga, you know, at that level that I think some people might not be aware of because we are familiar with the poses and the physical piece of it, but like, tell me a little bit more about yoga. Really what it is and how it's something that can benefit anybody who gets involved with it.

Aaron Wayne  4:59  
Yeah. So most people get into yoga for the physical. I mean, that's how I got into it, like you said, doing the ultra running and stuff, my body started breaking apart. And so I needed some movement and some mobility and some flexibility and some stability. And so most people get into it for the physical. And I think that that's like the perfect gateway into exploring the body. But then also getting to a point where when you're in a yoga room, you know, you're thinking about your breath, the teacher is saying things in a different language using Sanskrit and talking about, you know, the yamas, and the yamas, which are these ethical principles that go along with the yoga space. And so you get into that for the physical and then you start to get exposed to this broader toolkit. And so that's how I like to think of yoga is this toolkit for life. And so the Indians figured this out 1000s and 1000s of years ago. And one of the things I find super interesting is how so much of our modern medicine and understanding of how the body mind central nervous system, all these things work is sort of catching up with what I Aveda, which is, like they call it the sister science to yoga, like yoga is the movement and the Asana, as well as the ethical principles. And the new IR VEDA, which is sort of their health care system that they had. I mean, and we've definitely updated from 3000 years ago in the Indus Valley. But then there are all these different cool little things that the modern medical world is sort of catching up with, right, so like tumeric, and pepper is really good for inflammation, right? And so we're learning that through science, but that you know, that Yogi's have been doing that for 5000 years. And so when we talk about yoga, starting as the Asana, the physical practice, we branch it out. As we get deeper and deeper into it, we start to realize that this is how I react when I'm in a stressful position, or holding a pose for an extended period of time. This is how my breath feels when I want to get out of this space that I'm in, right. And so that applies to being in a meeting, or being working with your kid or being in a public speaking setting, where you're like, Okay, this is what my heart is doing. This is what my lungs are doing. This is how my voice is. I've been here before, right? And so the asana practice gives us a tool, the physical practice asanas. Asana means the seat in which the yogi sits. And so the practice was originally a practice designed to get the body in shape to be able to sit for extended periods of time, so that the mind could then dive deeper and go through the layers of like, this is what a human mind is like. And so when we explore the Asana, and we get deeper into the Asana, we realize that we can be in difficult positions and breathe our way through it and work our way through it. And so the Asana is a tool, you know, and it opens up the rest of the practice to us. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's a toolkit, it's this massive toolkit that covers, you know, spirituality is a word that has a lot of like, hang ups on, right. And so sometimes, depending on what space you're in, we do or don't use that word. But Sam Harris, who's a writer has a lot to say about the idea of spirituality in a secular sense. And so I approached the yoga practice very secularly, meaning, you know, without a lot of the religious connotations, because I don't think you necessarily, you need it, because the tools are there, right? The tools can be approached in a way that doesn't have those things. But so the toolkit is it's a fully spiritual practice. It's a fully physical practice. It is a mental practice. It's a there's a word in yoga, in Sanskrit called svadhyaya. And that word means self study. And so like when we're listening to podcasts like this, talking about the introspective podcast, I mean, you could call this podcast this five guy. Yeah, probably nobody would know what you're talking about. But it could be called this five Yo, yo, practice podcast. Right? It's it's this introspective, this reflective. This is what it's like to be inside of me right now, watching that person do those things. Right. So

Jake Anderson  9:01  
yeah, and the the thing about, especially going back to the name of this podcast being introspective is, you know, I think as entrepreneurs, we're very introspective people, at least I am. And I had, I had spoke with somebody recently because he were like, you know, tell me about your podcast you're serving or always start with like, no pot. This podcast is really an extension of myself, because as entrepreneur, I'm very introspective, and having that toolkit to kind of help you understanding how to navigate I think through that introspection of, of thought and feeling and everything that's going on. It sounds like yoga, gives you that it gives you that toolkit, and especially one of the things you mentioned, that I like to ask you about a little bit further here in detail, is how it can help you really with like stressful situations, right, kind of getting through some stressful situations, whether it be for for some people, I think like I don't know if you've ever heard this term is kind of thrown around. It's called imposter syndrome. Where you're thinking about, you know, you're in the online space, and you're thinking about starting a podcast or starting a YouTube channel, or you're wanting to put out your course or be that leader, you know, and you're sharing your thoughts. But there's that moment of, you know, I'm afraid to do this, or I'm afraid to, you know, put myself out there, what are people going to say? Is that something that you feel like in that yoga toolkit, like, Is there some benefit to the imposter syndrome or to that fear? You know, with having the ability to, to kind of tap more into that introspective of who you are understanding? You know, what's going on with your feelings, your thoughts, you know, that being that you have, is there something there that you think can really help people through those moments of fear as they're going through business and trying to kind of hit some of these milestones of growth? Yeah,

Aaron Wayne  10:52  
yeah, I think that there's one, there's, there's a word that we use in the yoga world called centering. And so centering yourself before any sort of challenging thing, whether it's, whatever it is a meeting, just going into work, some days, because of however, things are shaking out or eating with a client, whatever it is, and the yoga world, we call it centering. And so that centering could be anything from like, just like a steady solid breath, it could be sitting in your car for an extra two Mississippi and silence and just kind of giving yourself a moment to flutter the thoughts away. So I say all the time, the heart breathes, air, the the heart beats, beats, the lungs breathe air, and the mind thinks thoughts. And so those thoughts are going to flutter and they're going to move. And if we can take a moment and center, then hopefully, they'll start to settle, right. And if it doesn't, the next move is to sort of start to move the body. So when we get in these anxiety states, we find that the body starts to react. And so in meditation or in movement, we can notice when we're nervous that we're feeling it somewhere you've missed, some people feel it, their hands shake a little bit, some people their voice shakes, sometimes it's the heartbeat, sometimes it's the guts, right? And so if we can start to move the body, then we can get out of the body a little bit and start to settle the mind. Right. So it could be taken laps, it could be like, you know, I did some pushups with one of my students the other day, because he was feeling a little bit nervous, right. So it could be any of those things. And I would say, in the yoga space tangentially associated with that, in the yoga teacher trainings that I teach, we use a method called nonviolent communication, by created by Marshall Rosenberg, which has definitely made its way into the business world as well. And so I would, I would change that to needs and values based communication. And any person, whether you're in business, or whether you're just a person living your life, I would strongly advocate that you establish what your values are, what are the things that you value. And so as a business, you can have your, your your values as like, this is what my business values, right. And as an entrepreneur or as a person or an employee, you can still have those values. And so for me, my number one value is autonomy. My second is growth. And my third is authenticity. And so when I meet people, like you, Jake, and like, you're resonating with all this stuff, like that's like, I don't know how we didn't meet 10 years ago, you know what I mean? Because like, we have these values in common. And so when I have those values established for myself, what I can see is in my communication with my my wife, communication with my students communication with business, and business relationships, if I can filter those communications through those values, are my needs and values being met? And if not, how can I find those needs and values being met somewhere else? I think those are huge. So centering yourself, finding a way to kind of tool down and using breath work, which I know you'd said you're gonna have some people on the podcast talking about breath work, specifically, there's a smorgasbord of different tools in that toolkit. Moving the body, even if it's not a yoga, practice, walking, right? pushups, a yoga practice would be great if you can carve out an hour from your day because it does all of the movement that is necessary. And then threes, establish your values. What do you value? Right?

Jake Anderson  14:11  
Yeah, values are so important. I mean, and I love the way that you explain it. And I remember when I first got exposed to just thinking about that. I mean, obviously, we know what values are, and we understand it, but but you know, actually thinking about the application of values and establishing them the right way. In fact, there's a book behind me, you see right there. It's called traction by Gina Whitman. And it's the best business planning book that I would ever recommend for anybody that's getting into business. And I personally used it several years ago, but I remember that book. It talked about establishing your core values. And when it came when it comes to relationships, specifically you had mentioned it's like, yeah, was autonomy growth and what was the third one authenticity, authenticity. Right. So it's like you've got those and you're stuck. It's almost like as you're connecting with people you're looking for, like, Where's their alignment here? Do I see that there's alignment with this value system that I have. And when you find that alignment, whether it would be hiring an employee, or you know, going on somebody's podcast, or whatever it is, wherever that connection, that relationship is, you know, that sets you up for success in that connection, I feel like is having that alignment of values. So I'm glad you brought that up, because that's something that I wish I would have learned about that, that I did, because it saved me a lot of headache, you know, especially when it came when it comes to like building a business culture. And you that's the culture, it's like, when there's alignment of values within those within that team of people. It's amazing. If there's not, it's toxic.

Aaron Wayne  15:50  
Yeah, and you can filter through communications, once you've established these values, you can allow your communication to filter through that. So if you have a value of authenticity, and someone isn't meeting that value for you, then you can either seek that, that from somewhere else, or you can address it with the person and you can do it in a way, if you have clear understanding of how to communicate using your values, then you can do it in a way where it's not blaming another person, right? And so, you know, if I have an email that comes through that, like, doesn't settle right with me, I could sit, I could sit down with you, I could say, Jake, when you sent that email, it made me feel upset, because I have a value of authenticity, would you be willing to address that in the future, right. And so using the needs and values based communication, you can look at action, the emotion that we feel from it, right, and so that goes back to the centering and the movement, and all of the yoga and all of those tools of getting integrated with who I am. So I can actually feel my emotions and know what they are. So observation, emotion, what need or value is that that I have intrinsic to me that is or is not being met, and then being able to request a redress to what those values are.

Jake Anderson  17:10  
Yeah, so it's, you're saying that through communication, even with other people, whenever you find there's misalignment there, that you can address it, and that addressing that, like going back to that example, and I love when you give examples to to build kind of bring some context to it, if I send an email, and maybe it doesn't hit the right way, or there's something that just feels really off, you know, you address it, and then by addressing it with that action is able to kind of filter through and bring it back into alignment. Because for me receipt on the receiving end, you know, I'm going to be able to understand exactly where the perspective is of that value that you have, and why it's not aligning. And I think, you know, with with with, even with staff, members, employees, that's really a lot of how those discussions work, even when there's any kind of a what's the word, I guess, some kind of a confrontation or something that you have to deal with with that staff member? It's like, Listen, this doesn't align with values, we got to get back into alignment here.

Aaron Wayne  18:11  
Yeah, and people may not even know, right? If so those are the tough conversations, right? Those are the things where, you know, we put it off, you know, you just leave it unread in your inbox for three days, you know, so that's the sort of thing if addressing those, and using the values based communication, filtering it all through that allows you to actually have some language around what these things are. Right? So I'm going to check out that traction book. I'm glad people in the business world are talking about these things. That's cool.

Jake Anderson  18:39  
Oh, it's it's definitely I mean, it's certainly important. And he talks about because a lot of times when people when people will hire somebody because he uses it mainly as like a method for hiring. And he called is the right person, the right seat, right? Like, that's what you're looking for, you're looking for the right person for the right seat. But a lot of times in business people just look for the person that fit the right seat, they don't think about is this the right person? They're just like, hey, let me see your resume. Do you got the skills? Do you have, you know, the things I need to be able to perform this job duty, but they don't actually think about how they fit within the culture. So that's the right person, if you can find the right person, that means that they align with your core values. So he really talks about establishing those very early on and he gives you some methodology on how to create them because for me, and I'm, I'm curious to hear to your thoughts with this as well as like when it comes to establishing your values. When I first started, like thinking about like, what are my core Matt? Like, what's, what are your core values? What is that? In the beginning, when he asked yourself that question? I think he can be a little bit challenging to kind of come to some clarity there.

Aaron Wayne  19:49  
Oh, yeah. Like Well, I

Jake Anderson  19:50  
don't know. I mean, I definitely want you know, I think you kind of hang out at the surface a little bit, you know what I mean? But for for myself, and this is where the whole interest bective comes in, it's like, I really got deep and reflection. And I thought about experiences I've had with people conversations I've had just like, really went back, you know, into the past and kind of brought all that to the present to think like, where, what is my value system? Like? What are the things that are really, really important to me as a person, and also as a business owner, too, and like, how it how it applies to the business, because there's a little bit of a difference there. When it gets into, like the organization that you're creating, but it all stems from the source, the sourcing foreigner, so like, for you, like, how did you come to your value system? Like what were what was the methodology that you use to kind of get to that place?

Aaron Wayne  20:40  
It's, for me, it was journaling, you know, I mean, taking the time to sit down and journal and having a regular journal practice, as well as the meditation practice. And, you know, we've heard a million times that we should all be meditating, and we should all be doing it more, and none of us can manage doing it regularly. But the meditation practice is crucial, because the mind will show you, when you make yourself quiet, it will show you the things that you're concerned about. And sometimes it's, you know, remembering a beautiful time that you had, and sometimes it's like, Oh, I got this thing coming up. And I'm really worried about it. And so even if you have this thing coming up, for example, I am officiating a friend's wedding. I don't know why he asked me to do it, but he asked me to do it. And, and I'm really nervous about it. Like, I'm genuinely nervous, because this is a huge event. You know, this is one of my buddies that I grew up with. He sells real estate in Manhattan. So it's going to be um, you know, I'm just a little Virginia boy living down here teaching yoga, and I'm going to this big fancy Manhattan wedding. And I'm officiating it. And so I'm nervous about it. Right. And so the questions that I need to ask myself is that I'm experiencing this human emotion. So what value is it that I feel I have to fulfill in order to not feel that right? And so kind of tracking it back is, I have this, I have this value of authenticity. And I think that the nerves come from me, because I worry that I might not come off authentically, right? Because oftentimes, when we talk about love, and when we talk about yoga, and we talk about all these, like, quote, spirituality, like all of these things, there are a lot of people out there that are being really cheesy and inauthentic, right, and you can sniff them out. And it's sometimes when I say things, I'm like, that actually sounded really cheesy, and you should probably reassess how you're doing it. And so I think two but two or three big things, right? I think one, taking the time to journal, it is as effective as your English teacher told you when you're in high school, like journaling is important. And there's a reason that all of these writers, you know, Jon Krakauer, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, there's a reason that all these people kept journals, and reflected on their experience. Ryan Holiday talks a lot about that. Now he's a popular writer right now, he's always talking about journaling. So I would advocate that we all start that as well as when you have negative emotions or positive emotions, you know, my wife comes home and she says, Hey, babe, gives me a kiss, that shows me that I have a value of connection. And I value that. So when I have positive emotions, asking myself, why am I feeling that what value or need is being met when I have those positive emotions? And then when I have a negative emotion, such as, you know, being anxious about doing this wedding in May, what what is it about that experience that's making me feel anxious, and it's, I have a need for authenticity. So in order to do this, right, I have to do it authentically. And so just examining, and the thing about yoga is, then again, like we start the way we started this conversation, Jake was talking about the physical practice, right, and then I said Asana was created so that the yogi could get the body ready for seated meditation, you know, you see all these hip opening movements in the spinal movement and all these things. The practice was designed not for the thing that we're doing it for, which is to stay fit and healthy, right? That's a byproduct of it. The intention of the practice was to get us into, get the body calm enough, so that the mind can start to settle. And then once the mind starts to settle, the things that are still bubbling there are bubbling for a reason. It could be traumas from the past, it could be hopes or fears for the future. I mean, it could be anything that's coming up, but if it's coming up, it's coming up for a reason. And so oftentimes, we think about meditation as you sit there, and you completely empty the mind. And that is not the intention of meditation, right sitting on the top of a mountain humming with that blank mind. Like, maybe we get there one day, Jake, but probably not right. We are humans living a human life, and we're trying to run businesses and like live in a meaningful way. And the meditation practice is something that allows us to come back to the breath continually. So that we can train our focus because focus is everything. If we can be focused, we can do almost anything. Yeah, and it's also A tool for us to recognize what is taking us out of focus. So when we notice that something's taking us out of focus, there is a need or value that is or is not being met. And so the meditation, the journaling, and then examining These are my emotions. Why do I have them?

Jake Anderson  25:17  
Hmm. That's interesting. I because the thing is with with meditation, and I'm sure anybody listening right now is probably raising their hand thinking, yeah, this is me too. Yeah, it's like you get into it. And your mind is just racing. And it's like, every it's it's, I feel like I'm like, like, in the middle of the interstate when I get started. And there's so many thoughts just like passing by me. And I'm trying to dodge and try to found find that, that place of grounding and peace, and it depends on the day, I mean, some days are better than others. And but that's the thing. I feel like the sabotages mean, when I get into meditation is, you go into it, and you have all these thoughts racing through your head. And then you just like, you know what, this is just not this is not working. This is too loud, too loud. My head, my head is too loud right now. And I'm looking for the piece. And I'm just speaking from my own experience. I don't know if anybody else feels that too. I don't know if that's something you've been through. But Oh, for sure. Like, I

Aaron Wayne  26:12  
mean, that that is the practice.

Jake Anderson  26:14  
Yeah. And it's. So it's interesting to hear your your explanation of it. Because, you know, when I think about when I had thought about Originally, I thought about like, this is a time for me to empty the mind. But it's not really that it's, it's about getting you focused, and understanding, you know, why things are pulling you away or distracting you and understanding how to, I guess, how to deal with that, you know, from an emotional or from a from a, from a standpoint of focus and emotion. Is that correct? Is that the way that Yeah, yeah,

Aaron Wayne  26:52  
yeah, yeah. And I would add to that, so like, I love what you're saying here is like when we sit down the metaphor of racing highways perfect, which tells me that you're already a step ahead. Because most people don't even know the highway. Most people, they sit down, and they're just thinking with their eyes closed, and they're not meditating. They're just thinking with their eyes closed. And I'm getting to the point where he actually noticed that you're thinking that is the practice, just noticing that there are cars racing, right and not feeling like you have to grab on to them, like grab onto a tailgate and just raced down the highway, wherever that one goes. Knowing that you can let go of the tailgate and just kind of sit and breathe. That's huge. But I think I would add like one real actionable step, especially for your audience, man, like I listened to your podcast, and like the people that you're talking to are busy type a business, entrepreneurship, like you're working with people who want to achieve and want to succeed in life. Yeah, and the biggest thing that people like that, like us, like that are doing these things, the biggest challenge that we have is knowing that you don't have to be working all the time. Especially now, like when you can work anytime you're working all the time, and setting a timer on your watch. And saying this 10 minutes, I don't have to do anything. I don't have to be anybody. I don't have to succeed at anything. I don't have to even meditate, right? I have this 10 minutes. I don't have to project I don't have to plan my to do list, I promise will be there when you're back. Just taking that 10 minutes. There's, there's a yoga teacher named ROM das, formerly Richard Halpern. And he's got a huge interesting history from being a Harvard trains, Freudian psychologist, and then going to India. So like he's integrating these Eastern and Western ideas. And he says that, all you can do for me is work on yourself. And all that I can do for you is work on myself. And so we do these practices so that we can be fit for service for our businesses, for our family, for our work relationships for the planet. If we aren't taking the time to do these things, we won't show up ready to handle things as they come.

Jake Anderson  29:08  
Yeah, it's so so true. I mean, when it comes to that place to just give yourself permission, and say it's okay to step to step out, step out for a second, give yourself some space to find some, some presents to, you know, get in tune with yourself. And it's such a healthy thing to do. But you're right, and I've been guilty of this many times. And sometimes I even still find myself getting into that trap. And, and I think too, like when you get into and I've noticed this is like when you start getting into more of these type of practices of like meditation or yoga or breath work, that your level of conscious awareness starts to rise to be able to recognize when you're in that state, it's like, Wait a second, here I am again, doing that thing. burning the midnight oil. Here we are, it's two o'clock in the morning, Jake get the bed like we don't need, we need to get some sleep man like I had. That's my that's my that's my thing, I'll burn the midnight oil. And that's that's where I had to catch myself. But you know. So that's the thing that I think, with these types of practices that are so important is that I think it also raises your awareness when you agree. I know that's how it's been for me. But is that kind of a piece that kind of plays into here. It's like when you start finding yourself going into this place of sabotage in your life that you're like, Hey, wait a second, here I am in that place. Again. I know that because I've been doing some mindful practices that has helped me kind of shift the way I think I look at things.

Aaron Wayne  30:38  
Yeah, I think, I think and I think they say this an AIA, if you're not working a program, you're being unconsciously worked by a program. And our society is consistently creating these structures in order to funnel us into behavior patterns. And so like, we can get super deep and esoteric on this, or we can be like really practical, which is, you know, society is working in a certain way, and we behave in response to it. And so our, our breath practice, or meditation, or yoga, all of these things allow us to create a gap between stimulus and response. And so to your point, Jake, when you notice, here, I am burning it again, if you haven't taken the time to train yourself to notice your experience while you're experiencing it, you know, you'll burn it until 4am instead of 2am. Right. And so, the tools have focus in meditation and in the asana practice, like bringing it back to like yoga Asana, you know, if you're in a challenging pose, and as soon as you get into it, you're either thinking, I gotta get the hell out of here, or this is or you start thinking about, why does she look like that while I look like this? Or why can he do this pose, but I can't do this pose, right. As soon as you start to get out of the experience, you've already sort of lost the game. And so coming back to even if your leg is burning, right, or if you're out of breath, because it's a challenging practice. Being in the body while you're experiencing, it trains you to continually notice throughout your daily life, when a stimulus arises, can I widen the gap between how I respond? And so that's what all these practices are doing is it's giving us awareness. Here's the thing that's happening. Yeah, instead of going into my unconscious programming, right? And it's not nefarious, it's not like, you know, crazy conspiracy. It's like, it's not crazy. It's like, there are things that happen that we unconsciously register and just react like, my cheek itches, I scratch it, and a yoga practice, you just take them in, and I'm still in this pose, even though my cheek itches, I'm not going to scratch it, right? We have these neuro programming that happens to us and widening that gap in a real world setting where we're working in a situation where we're having those difficult conversations that we talked about earlier with nonviolent communication and saying to someone like, Hey, could you no longer do this can create stress. But if we can notice the experience, while we're having it, we can create enough gap where we can be mindful about what it is that we're saying, so that we can be effective, and what we're saying is useful for the person hearing it.

Jake Anderson  33:16  
So I know that you do some online and in person events and things like that, like what, for people who really want to, to explore this more in terms of ways to to kind of get access to yoga and and getting involved in these types of mindful practices, like what would you recommend? Like where can people find resources to, to get access to that? Yeah,

Aaron Wayne  33:42  
I'm in the process of building my YouTube website. I mean, we're all living in this world right now, where everything's going online. So I'm in the process of building that. So you can check out my YouTube, Aaron Wayne yoga, but I mean, that's just a shameless plug. I don't really need you to watch mine. As long as you're doing something. I think that there's a lot of tools out there. I'd mentioned Sam Harris has a great meditation app. There's so many resources out there, go to your local yoga studio. If you feel comfortable being in space with other humans right now, go to your local yoga studio, because first of all they need they need you. But also, there's nothing like being in a yoga studio with a bunch of people and the teachers teaching and you have direct instruction, and they can see you and you can see them. And the firt I wrote a blog post about this a while ago, the thing that people get really hung up on going to their first yoga class, because the people find out I'm a yoga teacher, they say I could never do yoga, I'm not flexible, which is like saying I'm too dirty. I can't take a bath. You know, it's like, we get hung up and we allow ourselves to stop ourselves from doing the things that we know will help ourselves, right. And so the simple thing of stepping into a yoga space is daunting for a lot of people, but doing it can transform your life. It can fundamentally transform your life, in every aspect in your business and your interpersonal relationships with the relationship that you have with yourself. But there are resources everywhere, man. I mean, YouTube is the bee's knees when it comes to this, like, there's breathwork there's meditation, there's, there's movement, there's everything. Gotcha.

Jake Anderson  35:21  
Yeah, that's, that's interesting to know. And I, one of the, one of the other things I was going to ask you about with respect to the resources that that you had touched on it with, with these in person classes, like there's nothing like being actually in that yoga studio. And you're, you're in that, but you put yourself in that environment, and you feel like that your ability to kind of connect with the practice is much stronger. But you know, doing I guess, taking it to the virtual space, what's as that has the virtual experience doing yoga, and now I've never performed yoga before it's something now that we've had this conversation I'm like, probably will now I'm like, I'm like, I'm like really psyched up about doing the call my step mom, she's, you know, she's like, really into it as well, we can connect on that level. But but it's, it's something where, you know, I think that your environment has a lot to do with how you perform, I know for me, and we, we can even kind of go back earlier in this conversation to pull this up to right now that we think about when it comes to giving yourself that permission of holding some space for a minute, just to kind of get let's just get grounded, and ourselves some space here. Well, I know for myself, like, I like to find a different environment. When I'm ready to hold space, I might go for a walk, go outside, go by a river bank, you know, just see here, the water, like things like that really help me when it comes to holding that space. And I would imagine that doing yoga practice holding space is a really important aspect of that. So if you're doing it virtual, just curious, like, do you have any recommendations on like, the environment that you should create as you're doing yoga?

Aaron Wayne  37:00  
Oh, yeah, create the space. I mean, if anybody's watching the clips, or on YouTube, I mean, I'm in my yoga room right now, I also record my podcast in here. But this framing is how I do my online classes when I teach. And so I've intentionally sort of set the room up you know, I've got pretty twinkly lights, and all my yoga books and all these things, and taking time to cultivate the setting. Setting setting, right, we hear that in other contexts, but it applies to this set and setting is crucial for tuning into an online yoga class or just doing your own personal practice. I mean, I would advocate that we don't even necessarily need the teachers because you have a body, right, and we can explore the body, however it shows up. So just rolling out a mat and rolling around on the floor. Like that's yoga man. Like, it doesn't have to have a name for the Asana, it doesn't have to have a name for the pose. Exploring the human body is part of the yoga practice. And so you know, just stepping into a lunge with you know, like a normal runner stretch, stepping into a lunge in a yoga space that you've created that you've taken the time to cultivate. This place feels good to me, you know, you have maybe of incense depending on how hippie dippie you want to get right. Maybe you have a salt lamp like I do, right? Whatever your space is. And then just step there it is man. Yeah, dude, no doubt. And then just like stepping into a lunge, and moving and see what it feels like, what happens if I lift this arm? What happens if I lift this arm? What happens if I drop the knee down in the back of the my lunch? Right? What happens if I just stand with my toes together and allow myself to fold forward? Right? Not racing, like I have to stretch like I'm in gym class, but allowing the spine to flex? What does it feel like to reach my hands up overhead? I mean, how many times a day do you do this, where you take your arms, if you can't see me out into a capital T position with your thumbs facing up. We don't do this right. And so the body stops being able to move like this. And so just standing. Sometimes I'm in public space, and I'll just stand and open my chest up like this. My wife is like Aaron, stop doing that you're freaking people out. But Starbucks here. We're in Starbucks. Now I swear we were in, we were in line at a Chipotle a once and I took my feet wide. I just got back from a run, I took my feet wide into a wide legged fold. And I just folded down and she's like, you got to stop that people are watching you. And I was like, okay, but when. But that's an example of the more embodied we become, the more comfortable we are in our bodies. And so if we're allowing ourselves like your question, Jake, allowing ourselves to create a space in our house, whether it's in our living room, whether it's in our basement, whether it's in your guest room, whatever, right, like creating one space, here's a space that I have, that I do these practices, I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm trying, right, I'm learning what it's like to be inside of my body. I'm learning what it's like to be inside of my mind. We're gonna have these minds and these bodies until they're gone. And if we're not taking the time to understand how they work, and the unconscious programming that's been put into us of how to work them. We're not going to be working our own system, we're gonna be working someone else's system.

Jake Anderson  39:57  
I love that. It's don't ever think Get it. Yeah, that's that's the big picture message that I got from that is just don't overthink it. And, you know, the fact that you said, Hey, just get on the mat roll around, like put your body into some positions is not normally used to being put in actually, as you said that I felt myself kind of adjust my posture a little bit because I felt the softness like sitting in my chair, I'm slumped over and I noticed that that's something that I do. And it's like, Hey, you know what? Maybe I'm in yoga right now, because I've just adjusted my body a little bit. And that I think, giving people that permission to not overthink, it doesn't need to be anything you ever think. I love the room that you have. I love the sign says simplify. And it is a very simple room. It's got some twinkly lights, it's peaceful, it's got some books, it's got the salt lamp, and you know, you've set it up in a way where you create that space for you to hold space. And that's just amazing. So I man, I appreciate everything you've been bringing to this interview, it's been very enlightening, especially learning about, I mean, there's a lot I want to go back and re listen to, like take some subpar notes here. Because when it comes to doing things in business, in you had mentioned this earlier in the interview, it's like how you show up is how you take care of yourself is really going to transition to how you show up for your business for yourself or your family, for your clients and everything that you do. And as entrepreneurs like we're trying to show up to the best version of ourselves every day. Like that's something I don't know, a single entrepreneur out there really a single person, but especially entrepreneurs who are determined to level up and everything that they're doing to be like, No, I'm good. Like, I'm good, just like sitting here being like not not, you know, at the best of what I could be no, and they all want to show up and be better versions of themselves. So, you know, going back through everything that you talked about in this podcast interview, the thing that I want people to take away, you know, from my perspective of hearing from you through my lens, is I want people to understand that you need to give yourself permission to hold space, give yourself permission to hold space, and take care of yourself, like give yourself that space for self care. You know, give yourself that space to reflect, use these practices, look into yoga, go on Aaron's YouTube channel, you know, or wherever you need to go to get access to the resources that is going to allow you to be able to take this practice because this is going to become you know, a major asset for yourself and for your business and everything that you're doing. So Aaron, man, appreciate everything you've been sharing. We're at the end of the episode here. So I want to ask you where people can connect with you online and how they can get in touch.

Aaron Wayne  42:47  
Yeah, it's all Erin yoga. So YouTube, Instagram, my podcast is Aaron Wayne podcast, having a lot of fun doing that. Yeah, just reach out guys. I'm happy to help happy to share any resources, any ideas, I'd add one last thing, which is the etymology of the word yoga. It comes from the Sanskrit word huge, which means to yoke or to bring together. And so as you and I are coming together today, Jake, for the first time, that is yoga, it's all yoga, anything that's bringing things together. That's the intention of the practice. And so I just invite people to play with that idea, revoke things together, bring things together, bring people together, bring your body and your mind together and integration. And yeah, connect with me. Everything's Aaron Wayne, yoga, I want to hear from you guys. So

Jake Anderson  43:31  
love that bring things together yoke it together. It's, every time I hear it, it's like the visuals are so important. For me especially it's like when you give some kind of an explanation of something I can visually see it my own head of you know, the things coming together and yoking together. You know, being in that traffic of the Interstate and seeing the traffic and the cars and the like grabbing onto the bumper, it's okay to let go. We can like oh, and that's okay. You don't have to hang on. All just good stuff, man. So thank you so much for being here. To my audience to my listeners. Thank you for tuning in on today's episode of The introspective podcast. This is our daily deep dive we are in the week of mindfulness talking about yoga. And Aaron, I appreciate you bringing all the value to this episode. It was such a pleasure chatting with you

Aaron Wayne  44:20  
the exam magic.

Jake Anderson  44:22  
Awesome. All right, that's me. I've got to hit like record.

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It’s another new week of all of us. And it is Mindfulness Week here on the Introspective. As cited by Matthew Sacchet in his Forbes article, mindfulness has become very popular in the western world in recent years. Everyone is talking about it from ordinary people to celebrities to scientists - and even business leaders are using it to curb burnout. In fact, Jason Linder cited it as the Next Public Health Revolution. The growing popularity of Mindfulness is something that we should really talk about. To start off this energetic week, we have yoga expert Aaron Wayne to help us really get into the concept of Mindfulness.

With a background in athletics and competitive sports, Aaron took his skills as a coach and athlete to the mat in order to bring yoga to as many populations as possible. Aaron works to teach that all people are able to find a relationship with their body and mind. Having begun his yoga journey in 2013, Aaron is RYT500 certified with Yoga Alliance through the Kunga Yoga School, currently teaches yoga teacher training as a faculty member of the Kunga Yoga School, and teaches two 200 hour yoga teacher trainings each year. Along with being an athlete and a yoga educator, Aaron teaches corporate events, collegiate groups, as well as public and private classes, both online and in person. Don’t miss this episode as Aaron talks about how we can be able to find a relationship with our body and mind.

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  • The basics of yoga and its benefits
  • Creating the ‘yoga’ environment
  • How to really achieve true ‘mindfulness’ and ‘inner peace’ through yoga

“If we can be focused, we can do almost anything.” 

-Aaron Wayne

Learn about the importance of yoga beyond its physical aspect as yoga expert Aaron Wayne takes us to a journey in knowing the full meaning of yoga.

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